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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:48 am

I've been playing for a few weeks now and I am looking for a more active guild to participate in. Dungeons, SM, group activities, things like that. I love it when guild chat is active and I love conversing with people about everything and anything.



In-Game Name: Endoresu

Approximate date you started:june 15

How active are you in game: Pretty much Daily, provided work doesn't interfere

Joined any previous guilds? If so, which one(s) and reasons of leaving them: Yes I am in Arms, but i knew it was really a placeholder guild so i can get a feel of things. I heard you guys also do skype chat and the guild chat is more active

How did you hear about us? References (if any): I came across some guild members willing to help me with shadow missions and Zilther3 especially helpful

Why did you consider us? I ran a few missions and MAs with a few of the guild members and I really enjoyed myself. I am wanting to experience more of it.

Who is the founder of this guild? Thugsta
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Post by xhellscythex on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:26 pm

Can you please provide a screenshot of your total lvl?
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:20 pm

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Post by xhellscythex on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:30 pm

Whats your combat style?

Is this your alt or are you maining an elf?

What exactly do you mean by a placeholder guild? Was there something wrong with them that caused you to leave?
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:38 pm

This is my first character, but I've been reading up on the game before hand.
I am currently a senior mage working on gunslinging and music for INT.
Placeholder i mean i just joined the first guild i saw without looking into it. I started to notice that their guild chat is inactive most of the time and they do their own thing, not doing a lot of group activities.
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Post by Toxicawpz on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:43 pm

Hi Endoresu,

Why should we accept you into this guild?
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:54 pm

Well whenever I start playing a game I start looking for the most active guild/corp/group to play with. I find that gaming is only as much fun as the people you play with. I actively talk in guild when people are on. Although i'm new I want to help new players out when I can, and contribute my skills when i can.
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Post by zilther on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:44 pm

We normally ask that newer players prioritize ranking certain skills over others because of the advantages provided by ranking those skills early on.
Would you be willing to grind a couple skills to r1 upon joining the guild? Specifically the combat skill windmill, and the life skill refining.
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Post by Lutetium on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:59 pm

While I understand your idea of choosing an elf to use magic, I'm going to highly recommend you ditch that character and use one of your other character cards to make a human and play it instead of the elf before you end up investing too much more time into the elf.

My suggestion comes not as one of those petty shitlords who are racist against fictional characters, but as someone who made the same mistake as you almost >FOUR< years ago now and has been dealing with the developers of mabinogi having no idea how to balance a game and continually shitting on elves every patch since g13.

Something a lot of people coming into mabinogi might not realize is you can't "just be a mage" for example, it's fine to focus on one skill set or stat at first but you'll have to branch out and eventually rank all of the skills, there's a lot of occasions where you'll find one skill set or another is from inefficient to totally ineffective against certain monsters or certain spawns of multiple monsters. Another thing that may not be immediately apparently about mabinogi is how centralizing the strength stat is, something elves lack around 300~ of vs humans late-endgame (potentially more with level up bonuses considered), it dictates not only your damage for close combat but also the damage monsters do to you, the damage you do with lances (elves can't even equip lances, which are a late-endgame combat weapon that ignores a part or all of a monster's damage reduction depending on the monster's def/prot), puppetry (one of the most generally useful skill sets in the game), shooter, and ninja (shooter and ninja being the fastest combo of skill sets for wiping the floor with trash shadow mission mobs).

For a more comprehensive list of the disadvantages of playing an elf;
no final hit (one of the strongest skills in the game which brings certain high level content down to the level of being cleared by left clicking repeatedly)
can't equip most two handed combat weapons
can't dual wield any weapon type
can't use lances or get the associated skills
lower percentage chance to trigger the smash skill's secondary effects (40% vs 50% on human 60% on giant)
lower base defense bonus from the defense skill
lower damage modifier for counter
lower damage modifier and higher cooldown for windmill (an extremely useful skill regardless of which skill set you main, the higher cooldown will result in you getting killed or taking hits on an elf when you could have knocked the mob away instead on a human)
lower damage bonus for combat mastery (the effects fighter damage as well)
lower aim speed multiplier for ranged attack (elves will miss even more)
higher cooldown for support shot (1s on elf .5s on human)
less max damage from ranged attack (at cap 1500 dex human will automatically have more damage with archery than an elf due to this)
use more ap to rank and more mana to cast bolt spells for no additional stat bonuses or damage bonuses
lose 50% dex equipping heavy armor (which is nearly essential to wear for some higher end content in my honest opinion, vs 30% loss on human 10% loss on giant)
lower damage multiplier for the chain mastery skill, dictating the damage of the fighter skillset (20% elf vs 30% human and 40% giant, a second note for this is humans and elves both lose 20% when equipping heavy armor, nullifying elves' bonus from chain mastery entirely)
no berserk skill (proxy of having no lances, while not a particularly useful skill, it's another ap sink for more str)

I believe that's everything, I may have overlooked something though, but here's a much shorter list of the actual advantages to playing an elf and why they aren't truly an advantage;
faster movement speed (has little to no effect in combat, you'll spend most of your time on a mount anyways if you're actually going somewhere/down a hallway in a dungeon/sm etc.)
lower Ice Spear mana use (effectively nullified by the 30% mana reduction on druid staff, 2% mana reduction per 100 int, and 20% reduction from ice mastery, along with the inspiration skill to restore your mana faster than you'll use it)
Mirage Missile (a useless DoT skill that has no place in mabinogi's gameplay style of killing the monsters quickly as possible in as few hits as possible in the largest aoe)
archery from horseback (a novelty that has no use in practice)

As you can see from all of that great wall of text, elves really aren't worth playing especially when you haven't put years into the elf and still have the option to move over to a human. I didn't even go into the biases in level up stat bonuses but you can view those on the "Character" wiki page if you want to read into them.

Also a full disclosure for you, I play an elf, I'm 14.6k total, I can assure you that if you stick with the elf you won't enjoy the game as much and all of your time and effort spent on it will feel unrewarding especially when you see humans half your level hitting higher than you with much less effort. The developers do not care about balance and do not play their own game, elves won't be fixed any time soon if ever.
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Post by Saiite on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:01 pm

So play a beefy giant Very Happy
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:14 pm

Lute I see your point and it makes sense but the grind to where i'm at already would be extremely hard by myself. I just want to get into a good guild at the moment... i might start an alt later, but priority is a guild at the moment
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:15 pm

zilter i'd be willing to grind, but which skills?
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Post by zilther on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:21 pm

Endoresu wrote:zilter i'd be willing to grind, but which skills?

Zilther wrote:Specifically the combat skill windmill, and the life skill refining.
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Post by zilther on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:27 pm

Endoresu wrote:Lute I see your point and it makes sense but the grind to where i'm at already would be extremely hard by myself.

You get free instant rebirths whenever you want up until level 1000. That's the nice thing about guilds, we could probably get you to level 1100 or so in a day if you wanted to nolife it.
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Post by Toxicawpz on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:27 pm

Endoresu,

It is highly recommended that if you plan on restarting as a human, you start over as a human SOONER rather than later. Take advantage of daily rebirth; it is very easy to get to level 1k in a short amount of time if you put the effort into leveling. Our members are always willing to help you through that process, BUT, you need to show us that you are determined to put in the effort.

How active do you think you will be for the next couple of months? Do you think you can set goals and accomplish them through your hard work?
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:36 pm

I'm on pretty much everyday it's the only game I play, it's just I gotten burned out cause there wasn't anyone to talk to in guild. I'll grind for a while and come back later when I get r1s.
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Post by Lutetium on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:45 pm

Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not saying you're not welcome because you're playing an elf, if anything you're more than welcome regardless of what race you decide to play, I was simply giving you the suggestion to play a human because the game would be more enjoyable and feel more rewarding later on, in all honesty if you did make a human at this point we would be more than willing to run you through ma and get you to 500+ in a week easy.
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Post by Pinkaholic on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:50 pm

We are just trying to help ~
You are welcome .
We will help you get rank 1 skills ~
Don't feel like you need to do it on your own !
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:53 pm

No I don't mean to take it the wrong way. I didn't know elfs were so unbalance and i'm more upset with myself putting effort without reading more. You have helped me in the long run and i'm thankful for that.
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Post by Calaran on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:54 pm

Just so you know "in case ya didn't feel like reading lute's wall of text cause I know I didn't want to"

The biggest stat in this game is STR It is used in 5 out of 10 of the combat classes. Elves just suck with everything that has to do with melee combat. It IS definetly possible to be a good elf, there are plenty that exist just know that it is pretty dang hard to get to that point.

tldr: elves suck at melee stuff, str is important, humans/giants are good at melee.
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:56 pm

I really appreciate all this advice, I've probably learned more about elves from you guys then from the wiki and guild i was in. I was just so focused on magic skills that I thought i could put melee on the back burner.
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Post by Lutetium on Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:23 pm

Again though, you're more than welcome to join the guild be it on your elf or a human or giant if you choose to make either, don't feel like you have to go off alone and grind levels or anything.
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Post by Endoresu on Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:27 pm

Oh? I thought I had to have some minimum skills. Just got my new char created and working through some of the training and after that I will submit my app. Where is the guild stone?
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Post by Toxicawpz on Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:35 pm

There hasn't been any requirements on levels/skills etc, we just require that you be active and constantly be training/improving your char in the most optimal way.
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Post by Lutetium on Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:36 pm

As far as I know there isn't any minimum requirements, and we're happy to help new players. The guild stone is south of the moongate in dunbarton.

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